Read a full transcript of Piers Morgan’s interview with Fiona Harvey — the real Baby Reindeer ‘Martha’

Piers Morgan sits down with the real Baby Reindeer “Martha” for her first TV interview as she slams author Richard Gadd as “psychotic” and the “ultimate misogynist.”

The lady who impressed the TV phenomenon of the yr broke her silence to blast the sequence, which claims to be a true story, as: “completely untrue. Very, very defamatory to me, very career-damaging. And I wanted to rebut that completely on this show. I’m not a stalker. I’ve not been to jail, I’ve not got injunctions. And this is just complete nonsense.” 

Speaking throughout a compelling “Uncensored” particular Fiona Harvey units the document straight after being unmasked by followers of the hit Netflix present — which tells the story of author/comic Richard Gadd and his stalker, Martha. At the begin of every episode it states “This is a True Story.”

Piers Morgan sat down for an interview with Fiona Harvey.
Piers Morgan sat down for an interview with Fiona Harvey. Piers Morgan/Instagram

But Fiona provides: “We’ve had no apologies from Netflix or him, nothing. I mean, for someone who says he feels sorry for me, I’ve had no apology. My character seems to have smashed up a bar, sexually assaulted him in a canal, been to prison. There are a number of other allegations, and… That’s not true.”

The 58-year-old mentioned Gadd, who additionally stars in the drama sequence, was “making money out of untrue facts.” And has vowed to sue the present’s makers after being thrust into the highlight and struggling on-line abuse.

During the interview, she denied ever being at his house, contacting his dad and mom or sending 1000’s of texts and emails messages. During the much-anticipated hour-long present, she additionally admits proudly owning 4 cell phones and a string of totally different e mail addresses. The regulation graduate additionally claims to be in a five-year relationship with a lawyer.

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On being “outed” inside hours as the “real-life Martha” on-line, she mentioned: “On the internet, sleuths tracked me down and hounded me and gave me death threats. So it wasn’t really a choice. I was forced into this situation.”

Asked if she had watched the drama, she replied: “Not at all. I’ve heard about the court scene, about the jail sentences and all this sort of stuff… I haven’t watched any of it.” 

“You’re not curious, too?” Piers added. 

“No, I think I’d be sick. It’s taken over enough of my life. I find it quite obscene. I find it horrifying, misogynistic. Some of the death threats have been really terrible online. People phoning me up. You know, it’s been absolutely horrendous. I wouldn’t give credence to something like that and it’s not really my kind of drama.”

Fiona is the inspiration for the character Martha in the hit Netflix show "Baby Reindeer."
Fiona is the inspiration for the character Martha in the hit Netflix present “Baby Reindeer.” Piers Morgan/Instagram

Saying that she had solely met Gadd two or thrice, she mentioned she first heard about the Netflix present two weeks in the past. She mentioned the curiosity in her was: “Absolutely horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. I couldn’t believe he’d done that. And so long after the first meeting, you know, we’re talking 10, 12 years ago, Really horrendous.”

Fiona added: “I just generally think he’s got extreme psychiatric problems… It’s a work of fiction. It’s a work of hyperbole, as I’ve always said. And there are two true facts in that. His name is Richard Gadd, and he works as a jobbing barman on benefits, in the Hawley Arms. And we met, two or three times…”

Piers requested if it was true Gadd had provided her a free cup of tea after she walked into the pub the place he was working, she replied: “No, that’s not correct. He didn’t offer me a cup of tea… I was in for a meal with, a drink of lemonade, and I was very, very hungry. I’m diabetic, so, very hungry. So that’s true.” 

Piers: “And did you talk to him?” 

Fiona: “And he interrupted a conversation… he said, ‘Oh, you’re Scottish’, and basically commandeered the conversation. You know, I was talking to somebody. It’s pretty rich. Interrupt. So he seemed to be obsessed with me from that moment onwards.”

On whether or not she mentioned he regarded like a ‘baby reindeer’ toy she had as a youngster, she added: “I had a toy reindeer and he’d shaved his head, that bit is true, and there were reindeers in the shops because it was Christmas time or something. It was a joke. So I have inadvertently penned the name of the show.”

She additionally confirmed she banter in the pub had been frequent, like speaking about hanging curtains. “This was a Hawley Arms joke about about curtains and a lot of sexual innuendo,” she mentioned.

Fiona denied Gadd had ever been caught peeping in her window, including: “False… I didn’t see him at my house. I think it would be impossible to look through a window… That categorically didn’t happen.”

Pressed on the 41,000 emails, 350 hours of voice messages, 744 tweets, 48 Facebook messages, and 106 letters she is alleged to have despatched him, she retorted: “That’s simply not true. If somebody was sending somebody 41,000 emails or something, they’d be doing how many a day? Lots.”

Piers replied: “Well, it’d be obsessive.” 

Fiona: “Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. No. It’s…” 

Piers: “What did you send?” 

Fiona: “Now, none of that’s true. I don’t think I sent him anything… No, I think there may have been a couple of emails exchanging, but that was it. Just jokey banter emails.” 

Piers went on: “So you’re denying sending anything to him?” 

Fiona: “There may have been a couple of emails.” 

Piers: “Text messages? No Facebook messages?” 

Fiona: “Nope.” 

Piers: “Did you tweet him?” 

Fiona: “I may have done years and years ago… No, it wasn’t numerous. It’s about 18 tweets.”

On the topic of the emails, she additionally went on to say: “There are not 41,000 emails. That’s over a year. 

Piers: According to you there’s only a handful.” 

Fiona: Yeah. I mean how long would that take someone to type up?”

Piers: “How many do you think you sent him?” 

Fiona: “A handful, if that.” 

Piers: “Like, what does that mean? How many?”

Fiona: “Less than ten.” 

Piers: “Ten emails.”

Fiona: “Not 41,000.”

Piers: “There’s a massive disparity between the two things.” 

Fiona: “I agree, I agree.” 

She went on to confess she had despatched him one letter. Pressed on who had despatched him all the correspondence, she mentioned: “I have no idea. I think he’s probably made it up himself,” she mentioned.”

She added she can be comfortable for somebody to take a look at her laptop. 

On whether or not she ever heckled Gadd at a comedy present, she mentioned: “I think I went to one. It was a long, long time.” 

Piers: “And you never shouted out or anything.” 

Fiona:  “Why would I do that? No, no, no…No, I don’t generally go to comedy shows. 

Piers: “And you never heckled him?” 

Fiona: “No.”

On whether or not she ever attacked one of the comic’s girlfriends throughout a jealous rage, she mentioned: “No, I don’t think he had a girlfriend. I think he’s, say, homosexual. But no, I have never been to his house or attacked any girlfriend or anything like that.”

Asked about the scenes exhibiting Martha sitting for hours at a bus cease and whether or not she ever did that, she replied: “No, I don’t know, I don’t know where he lived. No. Absolutely no… This is a fictional character. Hyperbole, exaggeration. This is a fiction. It’s based on his imagination.”

Fiona additionally denied ever contacting his dad and mom. 

After watching a clip of the sequence, exhibiting Martha pleading responsible to intimidating Richard’s character Donny and being sentenced to 9 months jail time, Piers requested if she had ever been to jail or been charged, she replied “no” to each questions.

“That’s completely false. And I don’t think the actress sounds like me. I mean, people compare me to Lorraine Kelly, but I look nothing like Lorraine Kelly. We all happen to have dark hair and we’re Scottish, you know. I think the actress is from Glasgow, I think, but I’m not sure… I’m from the Central belt [of Scotland].,” she continued.

Asked once more if the 9 month jail sentence in the drama is predicated on actuality, she mentioned: “That’s completely untrue. Very, very defamatory to me, very career damaging. And I wanted to rebut that completely on this show. I’m not a stalker. I’ve not been to jail, I’ve not got injunctions, interdicts. This is just complete nonsense.”

On whether or not Netflix had ever contacted her, she mentioned: “No. No one’s contacted me. Never.” 

Watching one other clip of Gadd talking just lately on “Lorraine,” she added he was “milking it for all it’s worth.”

Asked what she feels now about the comic, she mentioned: “I think he’s psychotic. And I think that anyone going along, being in that play and doing this to somebody, I find that I find the behaviour outrageous.”

On whether or not she believes the comic “felt sorry for her”, she replied: “No, I never got that impression at all. I got the impression that he was all out for himself. Wanted to, sort of control that bar. Very, very inarticulate, very full of himself. I should never have gone in that bar.”

Piers added: “Richard Gadd said he didn’t see you as a villain, but as somebody who is unwell and needs help.” 

Fiona responded: “Yeah, well, he maybe he should look a bit closer to home, to himself as someone who needs help… Yes, I think he always was. Whether there was an alleged rape or whether that rape was real or conceived in his mind, I think that would make him more unwell…”

She added: “I mean, for someone who says he feels sorry for me, I’ve had no apology. And I have this Martha character seems to have smashed up a bar, sexually assaulted him in a canal, been to prison. There are a number of other allegations, and… That’s not true.”

Richard Gadd and Jessica Gunning in a scene from "Baby Reindeer."
Richard Gadd and Jessica Gunning in a scene from “Baby Reindeer.” Ed Miller/Netflix

Later she defined she had supported him on-line, urging folks to observe his earlier comedy present, saying: “We were trying to encourage him… I didn’t think he was a complete psychopath who was going to attack me in this way.”

On her childhood, she mentioned she had a “standard Scottish” upbringing in the “Scottish countryside” and has a sister and her mom remains to be alive. Her dad and mom divorced when she was 9 and he or she hasn’t spoken to her mum about the drama. “That may seem strange, but I don’t want to worry her,” she added.

Asked about earlier “inappropriate behaviour” when working for a authorized agency in Scotland, she mentioned she had been head-hunted resulting from her employment regulation credentials. She mentioned no order or listening to was made towards her in the aftermath.

Speaking about her love-life, she mentioned she was in a five-year relationship with a lawyer. She mentioned: “I don’t want to drag him in. He thinks this is horrendous. All of my lawyer friends do. All of my professional friends do. Other people do. People are being really sympathetic. People I don’t know are saying things like, ‘Are you getting hounded in the street?’ You know, people are being really, really nice, anyone who does know about this.”

Pushed once more on whether or not she had left voicemails or despatched strings of messages, she mentioned the solely rationalization for the voice messages should be that she had been taped in the pub whereas talking.

Piers: ”If he has 350 voice messages and it’s you?”

Fiona: “It doesn’t mean the drama is true.” 

Piers: “But is it possible he’s got 350 voice messages?” 

Fiona: “I doubt that very much. I just don’t think so.” 

Piers: “ You doubt it?” 

Fiona: “Yeah, I doubt it. I mean. Unless he was taping me… He could have been taping me in the Hawley Arms though. I’ve not contacted him.”

Piers: “But if he’s got 350 voicemails.. these are on his phone” 

Fiona: “It doesn’t matter whether they’re on a phone, tablet, whatever they’re on, I’ve not contacted him

Piers: “But I’m curious. Why would there even be a possibility of him having that number of voice messages from you?”

Fiona: “Because he’s crazy and wants to make this up. I mean, I’ve not phoned the guy. I don’t have his number. 

“The only explanation for having a voicemail from me would be [from] taping me in the Hawley Arms. That’s the only place we’ve ever met.”

She went on: “Yeah. I mean, my point is, though, even if that were true, I didn’t lunge at him across the bar. I didn’t a sexual assault him in a canal. I didn’t go to jail.”

Piers later added: “No, but if they say that you sent 41,000 emails, 350 voicemails.” 

Fiona: “Well they are completely wrong. They are wrong.”

Piers: ”744 tweets. So they’re mendacity…” 

Fiona: “They are lying. Yes. Okay. Yeah. In effect, he is lying and they are lying. And in order for a dramatisation to be true, it’s got to be. You know, the only defence is are Veritas. I’m telling the truth. Or, the whole drama needs to be true. They have billed it as a ‘true story’. So has he. And it’s not. It’s blatantly not. Even if the email thing was true, the rest is not.”

On what message she had for Richard Gadd if he was watching, she mentioned: “Leave me alone, please. Get a life, get a proper job. I am horrified at what you’ve done. “

On whether she would be taking legal action following the series, she replied: “Absolutely. Against both him and Netflix. 

Admitting she wrote him one letter. Fiona said: “Yeah. I’m sorry I haven’t sent that guy 106 letters.” 

On whether or not she nonetheless had the similar e mail tackle, she replied: “I had six at one point. 

Piers: “Why?” 

Fiona: “Because I like to keep people on different phones and different emails.” 

Piers: “Six different names.” 

Fiona: “Maybe four. I think it’s 4 to 6. Yeah, it’s just easier, it’s easier. So you have some for your utilities, some for close friends, whatever. Yeah.” 

Piers: “Six is a lot.” 

Fiona: “Is it?” 

Piers: “I don’t know anybody with six email addresses.” 

Fiona: “You don’t know many people then, and I know, I know people with four or six email addresses.”

Piers: “Was it 4 or 6?”

Fiona: “I can’t remember. Probably six.” 

She revealed she additionally has 4 totally different telephones, explaining: “Yeah. Two broke. They were very, very old. One was brand new and broke. And it’s still to be returned to the shop. I like keeping people on separate phones as well. And maybe that makes me a maniac or a stalker or something. But if you’ve got somebody on about your electricity bill or somebody on about some work or something, it’s nice to keep it separate, you know? So, I didn’t do that in Scotland. Didn’t have to. But the volume of calls down here.” 

Grilled on whether or not the author was ever her good friend, she mentioned: “No. No. Staff asked me that as well. No, I don’t think so”, including the pair had shared “Scottish banter” in the pub.

On whether or not she was ever in love with him, she responded: “Piers. Is that a serious question? No… I gave him the brush off. He asked me to sleep, with him with a big green spot in his face one day. I said no I’m sorry, I’m not interested. He asked me to sleep with him. He said, ‘would I like my curtains fixed’? And I laughed and he said, that’s a euphemism. You want me to come home with you? And I said, ‘I’ve got a boyfriend’. I gave him the brush off big time, I think, you know, subtly so. But the bottom line is.. No, I don’t fancy little boys without jobs. That sounds awful. That sounds really, really callous. But, you know.”

Fiona then asks Piers how a lot she thinks Gadd has made out of the hit Netflix present, he says it could possibly be “several millions”. “I think he’s done bloody well out of defaming me… He’s making money out of untrue facts. He’s been the ultimate misogynist.”

With stories of a potential second sequence, Fiona added she would possibly write her personal ebook. Claiming to have a regulation diploma and a photographic reminiscence, she additionally mentioned she would take into consideration taking a lie-detector check to show her phrases.

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